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Sunday, January 22, 2012

Ok Warning for Traders out there!!

Ok I needed to say this as it was weighing me down.

STAY AWAY FROM THIS FACEBOOK GROUP FOOTBALL CARDS RULE
here is a link to their group

http://www.facebook.com/groups/117884248321018/


I WAS JUST GIVEN THIS DELIVERY CONFIRMATION NUMBER FOLKS STATING MY STUFF HAS BEEN SENT!!!!!!
420 78390 9101 7850 9140 1483 4045 04
YAY. OH WAIT IT DOESN"T WORK!!!!!. Yet I guess



MAJOR UPDATE SHAWN WELKER RIPPED ME OFF

Shawn applied to become a Democratic Precinct Delegate in Albion City PCT.5. So this guy who ripped me off wants to be a delegate. Check it out folks
http://www.battlecreekenquirer.com/assets/pdf/A516184082.PDF

**** UDPATE******
I Was able to Contact the Other Admin of Football Cards Rule Ben And told him of the situation. His Answer
Ben Hughes 23 January 07:31
I'm sorry David. I have to be on Shawn's side and I don't really want to get involved. Especially after you bash my page on your blog. If you want to bash something that's one thing but it's not ethical to post peoples personal info either.

Hmm. Don't want to get involved huh... Ok So this guy can use your group as his personal playground to con people to send him stuff and then ban them using his power as an admin and thats ok? Don't Like it that I bashed your Group? Then stop this crook from doing this. If you are not stopping the problem then you are part of it. Unethical? yet your guy is lying and stealing cards is that Ethical? And any info found here is stuff found on a simple internet search


*************************************Another Update***************************************
SHAWN WELKER HAS PULL THIS BEFORE:
http://www.sportscardforum.com/showpost.php?p=10962504&postcount=18
http://www.facebook.com/groups/SportsCardTrading/
Basically it states that SCF member RG3NFL had the same situation happen to him his post:
Dude same thing happened to me I did a trade with him for an Anotnio Cromartie Sage Hit Rookie Auto /999 and something else, and they were all beat up and basically ruined! then when I went back i was banned!

But how is that possible? When Shawn Welker said this on Twitter:
ShawnWelker Shawn Welker
@
@davea2774 Attacking a well trusted site Admin after sending him damaged cards. Classy... No wonder so many trading forums have banned you.
Yeah Shawn You are really Trustworthy

Now Football Cards rule has an admin named Shawn Welker who live in albion, mi 49224
Facebook
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=633923869
Twitter
https://twitter.com/#!/shawnwelker
And is connected to
http://www.midwestsoccer.net/little-kritters.html
Midwest Soccer Academy
PO Box 709
Fenton, Michigan
48430-0709

Tel: (+1) 810-714-5575
Fax: (+1) 810-714-5577
E-Mail: info@midwestsoccer.net
Website: www.midwestsoccer.net

Now why am I saying all of this. Shawn Welker is a Liar and at this point a thief.
Shawn Welker agreed to do a trade with me Here is a copy of those talks:
On January 14, 2012 5:32:16 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i got a nice stefan lefors jsy auto books $60 if you'd like to deal
On January 14, 2012 5:59:58 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

got brandon hogan upper deck rc, too
On January 14, 2012 6:21:53 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

which one is it?
On January 14, 2012 6:23:04 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i tagged you for the lefors and the hogan is just his base rc
On January 14, 2012 6:31:20 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Oh I have a few of those
On January 14, 2012 6:32:57 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/DarkConvoyCollectibles/My%20Football%20Collection/Stefan%20LeFors/Slide/?action=view&current=DSC02953.jpg
On January 14, 2012 6:33:09 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/DarkConvoyCollectibles/My%20Football%20Collection/Stefan%20LeFors/Slide/?action=view&current=DSC02955.jpg
On January 14, 2012 6:34:06 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Though it is all white
On January 14, 2012 6:34:15 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I don't have one that's all white
On January 14, 2012 6:34:21 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

It books $15 though
On January 14, 2012 6:34:26 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

http://www.checkoutmycards.com/Cards/Football/2005/SP_Authentic/223/Stefan_LeFors_JSY_899_AU_RC/1298888
On January 14, 2012 6:34:55 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

mine is the Gold. #d to 25. books $60
On January 14, 2012 6:34:59 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

is it a gold?
On January 14, 2012 6:35:04 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Ahh ok
On January 14, 2012 6:35:09 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

had to double look
On January 14, 2012 6:35:40 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

what are you looking for in trade?
On January 14, 2012 6:36:10 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

dunno. what you got that you're not that interested in anymore? i'm not too picky
On January 14, 2012 6:36:15 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

brb
On January 14, 2012 6:37:36 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

here's my Bucket: http://s16.photobucket.com/albums/b21/DarkConvoyCollectibles/Cards%20for%20Trade%20or%20Sale/
On January 14, 2012 7:00:45 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

maybe you can thin it down for me. what are some mid-range cowboys and bengals stuff that you've got. i'm thinking in the $12-$15 range. would like to grab 2 of each and call it good.
On January 14, 2012 7:01:03 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i saw the artifacts chris henry and would do that for one
On January 14, 2012 7:01:37 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

maybe do the partrick turner 'fins patch
On January 14, 2012 7:02:12 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Its yours my bucket is tagged by team if that helps
On January 14, 2012 7:03:52 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

ok, let me jump back in there. i got a little lost
On January 14, 2012 7:05:08 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

no problem
On January 14, 2012 7:29:39 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

not ignoring you. but i will have to revisit this in a day or two. my head is pounding and i've got other things i need to take care of
On January 14, 2012 7:30:20 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

no problem I will put that Henry card to the side for you
On January 14, 2012 7:31:37 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

always love the look of artifacts
On January 14, 2012 7:49:53 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

same here
On January 14, 2012 7:50:05 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

but I will put that one to the side for you
On January 14, 2012 7:50:08 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

'specially their hockey stuff
On January 14, 2012 7:50:23 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

cool. that was the right album to be looking through, right?
On January 14, 2012 7:50:40 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Chris henry from the Bengals right?
On January 14, 2012 7:50:48 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

yessir
On January 14, 2012 7:50:54 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

yes
On January 14, 2012 7:50:55 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

'07, i believe it was
On January 14, 2012 7:51:11 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Yes I collect Chris Henry the RB
On January 14, 2012 7:51:20 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

will probably be going after all bengals
On January 14, 2012 7:51:31 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

ok that works for me
On January 14, 2012 7:51:39 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

nice
On January 14, 2012 7:51:56 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I was just thinking that gold was harder to get but it has a 1 color patch
On January 14, 2012 7:52:10 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

man they should have made all of those 3 color at least
On January 14, 2012 7:52:46 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

you would think. seems backward to me too. i was confused when i picked it up, but it was such a deal, i had to
On January 14, 2012 7:53:14 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

just glad i found someone who will have use for it :)
On January 14, 2012 7:53:22 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Yes
On January 14, 2012 7:53:27 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

and thanks for offering it
On January 14, 2012 7:53:45 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

alot of folks don't find it "Worth" their time to look for my scrubs
On January 14, 2012 7:54:06 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

lol, well that's the point of looking through people's list of who they collect, right?
On January 14, 2012 7:54:19 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

exactly
On January 14, 2012 7:54:23 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

if you have anything decent in a wes welker, i'll take that too
On January 14, 2012 7:54:39 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i guess that's my 'scrub'
On January 14, 2012 7:54:46 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I doubt it but he would be in the patriots
On January 14, 2012 7:55:09 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Too bad Palmer is a Raider I have a few decent cards of him
On January 14, 2012 7:55:23 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i still can't see what you're talking about having stuff tagged by teams
On January 14, 2012 7:55:37 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

all i saw was folders leading to autos, game used, etc
On January 14, 2012 7:55:45 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

http://s16.photobucket.com/home/DarkConvoyCollectibles/tags
On January 14, 2012 7:56:14 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i'd be interested in old palmer stuff in a bengals uni
On January 14, 2012 7:56:23 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Its on the top photobucket strip
On January 14, 2012 7:56:33 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

alright. let me try this again
On January 14, 2012 8:11:33 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

ok
On January 14, 2012 8:39:03 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Hopefully you will find something
On January 14, 2012 8:39:23 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

yeah. i will get back to you in a day or two, david. just working on other stuff at the moment
On January 14, 2012 8:39:58 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

ok no problem
On January 14, 2012 8:40:16 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Hopefully all these God and Jesus Jokes will stop by then
On January 15, 2012 6:19:03 AM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

Here's what I'd like.

'07 Leaf Rookies & Stars Leon Hall AU/99 BV $25
'06 Press Pass Autographs Bronze Reggie McNeal BV $12
'09 Bowman Fabric of the Future Jerome Simpson BV $8
'04 Upper Deck Legends Future Legends Chris Perry BV $6
'08 Leaf Certified Materials Certified Potential Materials Jerome Simpson BV $6
TOTAL BV: $57

If you could, I'd like for these to get sent to a good friend of mine. He and I have worked out a deal. Thanks!

Dale A-L
ADDRESS REMOVED FOR THIS GUYS PRIVACY
Wyandotte, MI 48192
On January 15, 2012 9:57:41 AM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I have never done a deal like that. I usually just send the cards to the person I am trading to.
On January 15, 2012 12:03:21 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

guess you haven't dealt much, then. shouldn't really matter where you send the cards as long as you are getting your end of the deal. wouldn't you think?
On January 15, 2012 12:24:42 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

if you're really that uncomfortable with it, then that's fine, send them my way, and i will slap a new label on them and send them on to the next guy. won't even need to open 'em up. i'd rather spend the $1.75 and have you be happy, then have you feel like you were being forced into dealing in a manner that you were uncomfortable with.
On January 15, 2012 3:59:44 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Sorry was taking a nap as for trading I have a trader rating of 285 on scf so I have traded
But yeah they kinda frown on trades like that on scf and Beckett. I would rather send it to you.
On January 15, 2012 4:04:09 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

that's fine. i'm the highest rated trader on SCT, so nothing to worry about there. let me know DC when you get it.
On January 15, 2012 4:04:31 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

need my address
On January 15, 2012 4:04:52 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

David Aguero Taft Tx
On January 15, 2012 4:05:06 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

whats sct?
On January 15, 2012 4:08:58 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

Sports Card Trading
On January 15, 2012 4:09:12 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

and i'm the admin on football cards rule
On January 15, 2012 4:09:54 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Never been to Sct I am on Beckett trader's retreat trade cards now and Sports card forum
On January 15, 2012 4:10:17 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I am the admin on a few Facebook groups too
On January 15, 2012 4:19:01 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

yeah, looks like you either left sports card trading or got booted. but you were a member there in the past.
On January 15, 2012 4:20:04 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

what site is that?
On January 15, 2012 4:20:17 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

FB - Sports Card Trading
On January 15, 2012 4:20:38 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

is that a web site or a facebook thing
On January 15, 2012 4:20:50 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

FB = Facebook
On January 15, 2012 4:21:18 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

oh are you talking about that site that was complaining about arggh Bros something
On January 15, 2012 4:21:27 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

and how terrible they were
On January 15, 2012 4:21:42 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i use them only for the trader rating system
On January 15, 2012 4:21:46 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

and then wanted to promote their other sites
On January 15, 2012 4:22:40 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Yeah I didn't get booted
On January 15, 2012 4:22:56 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I left it was just a bunch of Drama
On January 15, 2012 4:23:02 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Not worth the time
On January 15, 2012 4:23:46 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Something about sending money to one guy and they want you not to ask for money back because he was conned
On January 15, 2012 4:23:49 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

well, regardless. that is the system we use on football cards rule.
On January 15, 2012 4:24:01 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

What system?
On January 15, 2012 4:24:10 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

their trader rating system
On January 15, 2012 4:24:20 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

never heard of it
On January 15, 2012 4:24:26 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

of course not
On January 15, 2012 4:24:28 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Never did a trade there
On January 15, 2012 4:25:00 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

fine. like i said, just let me know the DC# when you send. thanks.
On January 15, 2012 4:25:19 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I will send on Tuesday I need your address when will you ship
On January 15, 2012 4:25:31 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

albion, mi 49224
On January 15, 2012 4:25:34 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

when i receive
On January 15, 2012 4:25:45 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

but i'm a quick shipper
On January 15, 2012 4:25:46 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

so you are asking me to send first
On January 15, 2012 4:25:50 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

will send out the same day i receive
On January 15, 2012 4:25:53 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

yes
On January 15, 2012 4:26:08 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

ahh do you have any ratings at the forums I listed
On January 15, 2012 4:26:29 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

no. i am only on football cards rule and sports card trading.
On January 15, 2012 4:27:08 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

so there is a list where it says what ratings the traders have here
On January 15, 2012 4:27:46 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i already said. we use the trader rating system on sports card trading. a page that you no longer participate in.
On January 15, 2012 4:28:19 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

So that's your group too?
On January 15, 2012 4:28:25 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

nope
On January 15, 2012 4:28:36 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Shouldn't you migrate it to here to this page?
On January 15, 2012 4:28:46 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

might make it easier
On January 15, 2012 4:29:18 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

that's steven schaffer's page and ben schragger updates the ratings. no one else has a problem with it, and we didn't want to reinvent the wheel. just the way everyone is comfortable with operating
On January 15, 2012 4:29:27 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

talk to either/both of them first if you want
On January 15, 2012 4:29:39 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Don't know either
On January 15, 2012 4:29:42 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i'm a pretty patient guy. will wait on you to do your research on me
On January 15, 2012 4:29:50 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

just PM them. they are both active on FCR
On January 15, 2012 4:30:33 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Can I ask for feedbak referal on you on this groups page?
On January 15, 2012 4:31:43 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

you sure can. you can have them PM you, too if you are more comortable with that
On January 15, 2012 4:33:56 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

ok will do here's my refrences http://www.sportscardforum.com/member.php?u=29120
On January 15, 2012 4:45:53 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Oh hey I like making a shipping video of me packing the cards I will send you a link once I get it done. It will be private. I started doing this when I started selling on ebay
On January 15, 2012 4:47:01 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

that's fine if you want, but i probably wouldn't watch. i got lots of other things i got to get accomplish in my day. no offense, just have other things i'd rather spend my time on.
On January 15, 2012 4:47:47 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Its cool I just like having them as proof
On January 15, 2012 4:59:18 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Hey went to pull the Cards couldn't find the press pass reggie mc something. I do have that Chris Henry auto and upperdeck Leon Hall and a Epix Carlos Dunlap do any of those interest you?
On January 15, 2012 5:04:00 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

sub the artifacts chris henry for the mcneal. that'd be fine
On January 15, 2012 5:04:09 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

thanks for letting me know
On January 15, 2012 5:04:19 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Ok done
On January 15, 2012 5:04:51 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Henry will probably a good one to keep may he RIP
On January 15, 2012 5:05:47 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

yeah. that was tragic.
On January 17, 2012 8:34:06 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

did you send today? i didn't see a DC# come through.
On January 17, 2012 9:00:06 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

yes it was sent were you able to do the same? What was your rating number on that other group
On January 17, 2012 9:00:28 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i have not sent. i am the highest rated trader.
On January 17, 2012 9:00:38 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

whats that rating?
On January 17, 2012 9:00:39 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

do you have a DC# for me?
On January 17, 2012 9:01:23 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

03082040000202787038 it was put in the blue box
On January 17, 2012 9:01:23 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

47 positive trades, 0 negative, 0 neutral
On January 17, 2012 9:01:36 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

thanks, david
On January 17, 2012 9:01:45 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

ahh well no worrie I have 270 plus positives
On January 17, 2012 9:02:43 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

good. but as you stated before, you are new on our forum. i will prep your cards for delivery and send them the day i receive.
On January 17, 2012 9:02:58 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

whoops. card.
On January 17, 2012 9:03:37 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Yeah and you are a new trader with me so basically in the same boat
On January 17, 2012 9:03:48 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i suppose
On January 17, 2012 9:04:05 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Yep
On January 17, 2012 9:04:23 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Well I will let you know when I get the card
On January 17, 2012 9:05:39 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I notice that in the group its not what you know but who so hopefully this will show you that I am not some Newbie causing trouble like everyone assumes
On January 17, 2012 9:06:36 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Oh you should consider joining SCF you would make a lot of trades there
On January 17, 2012 9:07:47 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

i hope so, david. and i'm happy where i'm at. as an admin i really don't want to split time w/ another forum.
On January 17, 2012 9:08:48 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Yeah I just hope another incident with some angry person who I couldn't work out a trade with doesn't happen again makes it seem a bit out of control
On January 17, 2012 9:09:20 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

And I have had word that the same guy is contacting folks asking them not to trade with me
On January 17, 2012 9:09:46 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

well, a few good trades under your belt can't hurt.
On January 17, 2012 9:10:33 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I hope so. Because I have reported him to facebook
On January 17, 2012 9:11:02 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

really no reason for that
On January 17, 2012 9:11:26 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

when you call some one names and start acting like a mad man I am sorry but there was
On January 17, 2012 9:11:40 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

But either way I have made a few trades on here
On January 17, 2012 9:11:50 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

so I will continue and just blow him off
On January 17, 2012 9:12:23 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

yeah, i'd just avoid him. i gave him a bit of advice as well, so hopefully things calm down.
On January 17, 2012 9:12:39 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

and be sure to get peeple to report your positive trades. that will go a long way for you
On January 17, 2012 9:13:21 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

I wanted to ask how will people know my rating who are not part of that other not connected group?
On January 17, 2012 9:13:55 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

95% of the guys who are active on FCR report their trades on SCT. it's kind of a partnership we have.
On January 17, 2012 9:14:26 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Can I have a copy of that so I can see who I am trading with too?
On January 17, 2012 9:14:52 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

let me see what i can do. btw, any interest in getting on a group break?
On January 17, 2012 9:15:38 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Nah I don't collect many current players and with the cost of a break I can use that to get a few pc cards
On January 17, 2012 9:16:52 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

alright. i'm filling a blasters case break of gridiron legends for $14 for a 2-team slot if you change your mind
On January 17, 2012 9:17:33 PM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Ok will do

On January 17, 2012 9:22:08 PM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

Ben Schragger updates this list: Please send me a Facebook Message after you have successfully completed a trade. Include what the trade consisted of, who it was with, and if you give them a POSITIVE, NEUTRAL, or NEGATIVE and write a brief explantation why.

This should help with completing trades and know who to trade/not to trade with.

RULES:

1) Delivery Confirmation must be used, unless BOTH parties agree to not use it.

2) The person with the lower rating must send first. However, if both traders have at least 15 POSITIVE ratings, both parties must send their cards at the same time.

3) Cards MAY NOT be shipping in a Plain White Envolope, unless agreed upon between BOTH traders.

4) All cards in the deal must be "protected" in some way. Whether it be a top loader, penny sleeve, or team bag, use whatever is neccessary to insure that the cards will get to the recipient in the same condition that you had them.

5) If someone has a NEU or NEG rating, they must send first.

RATINGS:

Shawn Welker- 47 POS

On January 20, 2012 10:28:18 AM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

got the cards today, david. 3 of them have dimpling on the front from something small and round (dirt?) getting in between the card and the sleeve. 2 aren't that bad, but the leon hall looks like a golf ball in the bottom right corner. and all of them were in old sleeves and loaders. most of the sleeves even had dust and little bits of junk on the inside of them. not sure if these are just old cards that you kinda threw to the side, or what. let me know your thoughts, please.
On January 20, 2012 11:07:51 AM PST, David Aguero wrote:

They were reused Toploaders i didn't have any new ones. With you wanting dc numbers right away I just used what I had available.none had any junk and the penny sleeves were replaced before they were sent out. When I sent them none were damaged. Just Send them back.
On January 20, 2012 11:12:49 AM PST, David Aguero wrote:

If you can scan the Leon Hall I have pictures of it so that I can see what you are talking about

On January 20, 2012 11:31:16 AM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

don't worry about it. i already have someone who is going to take them regardless. i'd rather have a card be in a clean loader and wait a few days than get it in a junky loader/sleeve. just wanted to give the heads up about it.
On January 20, 2012 11:37:47 AM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

as for taking a scan, it probably wouldn't show up. spots like that don't tend to show up in scans. but if you look at it from an angle, there are clearly 4 tiny dimples in the bottom right corner. i have shitty digital camera, but i can try to take a pic. but like i said, i've already got someone waiting on them, so no big deal.
On January 21, 2012 12:23:13 AM PST, David Aguero wrote:

Has the group been Closed?


On January 21, 2012 12:39:11 AM PST, David Aguero wrote:

What is this bs about:
TRADER WARNING: David Aguero has been permanently removed from the group. 3 of the 5 cards that he sent to me today had dimples on them and then when confronted, he claimed that I was lying. Imagine that... They were also sent in dirty/dusty sleeves and most of the top-loaders were caked in glue residue. Do NOT trade with David, as he has done this to others in the past as well.
I have never traded with others on this group in the past. And I asked you to return the cards. You refused. If you are going to ban me atleast do it for honest reasons instead of lying about it. I also expect my Cards returned or Charges will be filed against you.

So in the end Shawn Welker is a liar. He tells me that the cards are damaged I ask for them back and a scan to see what damage there was. He Wrote this:
On January 20, 2012 11:31:16 AM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

don't worry about it. i already have someone who is going to take them regardless. i'd rather have a card be in a clean loader and wait a few days than get it in a junky loader/sleeve. just wanted to give the heads up about it.
On January 20, 2012 11:37:47 AM PST, Shawn Welker wrote:

as for taking a scan, it probably wouldn't show up. spots like that don't tend to show up in scans. but if you look at it from an angle, there are clearly 4 tiny dimples in the bottom right corner. i have shitty digital camera, but i can try to take a pic. but like i said, i've already got someone waiting on them, so no big deal.
Yet Publicly he wrote:
TRADER WARNING: David Aguero has been permanently removed from the group. 3 of the 5 cards that he sent to me today had dimples on them and then when confronted, he claimed that I was lying. Imagine that... They were also sent in dirty/dusty sleeves and most of the top-loaders were caked in glue residue. Do NOT trade with David, as he has done this to others in the past as well.

Well there is some issues with what he stated on why I was banned. As can be clearly seen in the messages above I did not call him a Liar. I simply asked for a scan and that he return the cards. Now I did reuse toploaders but they were not dirty. They just had tape on top of them. But then again we traded for the cards not the Toploaders. He stated that I had been banned on several forums which is a lie. I am a member of a few forums and I am in good standing in all of them.
Now as for the rest If the cards were as damaged as he stated why say they are ok and say he will keep them. Why not simply give me a scan of the cards? Instead he banned me. Why? Because there was no damage and he lied about the whole situation. How can I say this Simple. I have a Video showing my packing the cards. That and Shawn has done this Before to RG3NFL on scf:
http://www.sportscardforum.com/showpost.php?p=10962504&postcount=18
Dude same thing happened to me I did a trade with him for an Anotnio Cromartie Sage Hit Rookie Auto /999 and something else, and they were all beat up and basically ruined! then when I went back i was banned!

So it starting to sound like a recurring thing with Shawn. He makes trades then bans people before they can complain. No wonder he has the highest trading rating on the other group. So so far I have lost this:
/99 bks $30
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2004 Upper Deck Legends Future Legends Jersey #FLCP Chris Perry

Now I know There were somethings I missed on this trade that should have warned me:
Wanting me to send to another person
Expecting me to send first because of his 45 rating when I have 279
But I say to you all lets let this guy know how dissatisfied we are with Liars like him. Lets give Shawn Welker a taste of his own medicine.


Vote about it on Peoples court
The Crooked Admin
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They are somehow connected to FACEBOOK GROUP SPORTS CARDS TRADING
Although the 2 groups share a rating system, Sports Cards Trading states publicly that they are in no way responsible for any transaction occuring on FootballCardsRule. FootballcardsRule do not have their own Rating system. And thus SportscardTrading records and updates any transactions from FCR on theirs.
I have added this disclaimer After I got this Heartfelt Apology from Admin Steven:

this is getting outta hand man . I know we have had issues in the past . I was only defending Shawn on that page cause he is a friend , like I would with you . If you have an issue with Shawn , its with Shawn . It has nothing to do with my page . I apologize for talking the way I did to you , your right that should have never happened . The issues we had in the past I even tried to keep you on the page , you know I am a fair guy weather you want to admit it or not . But dragging me down for Shawns actions is wrong and you know it .

Thanks Steven
http://www.facebook.com/groups/SportsCardTrading/

****** UPDATE******
Another Admin from Sports Card Trading contacted me. His comments are as followed
Admin Anthony
Hey man, please keep us out of your blog, i know your not a happy camper but sports card trading is nothing but a rating of a connection to football cards rule. We never heard your side of the story, all we heard was Shawns. All americans have the element of assumption. We all just assume. Thanks anways, david,
Admin Anthony
I replied about hos Steven had said some awful things and that I needed an apology his reply
Admin Anthony
Ok man i appreciate you taking the time back to respond. But steven is a great guy, Shawn made it seem simply wrong what you did, so steven simply just heard shawns side as you left sports cards trading, we really all were confused why you left! But anyways we would really like our name taken out of things, i understand your hurt, but thats shawns problem, and football cards rule, who cares about a few dirty top loaders. Shawn is a nice guy to, but what he did to our site is wrong.
From,
Admin anthony

So No Apology and he never stated that what his admin did and what Shawn Welker did was wrong!!! Just that Shawn Welker did them wrong...... Hmm so I have added a disclaimer on top. You got your wish Sports Cards Trading. If they were sincere I would think they would either cut off association with that other group or allow you to leave him feedback with their rating system. Neither have happened.

*** UPDATE***** I was contacted by Steven Schaffer Admin of SPORTS CARDS TRADING******
Steven Schaffer 22 January 19:55
hey man . I just seen a post about my page on your blog . I have nothing to do with Shawn and Ben's page . Thats the reason I have my own cause I was sick of the shit there . I am asking you to do the right thing and change the blog . You know I am a fair guy .

Steven Schaffer 22 January 20:21
I read the convo , the partnership we have is the trader rating . Which I only allowed to have people record trades from football cards rule is to protect the traders ... nothing more then that . The issues you have with him attemping to rip you off has nothing to do with my page .

Yet this was the same guy that wrote this stuff about me:
Steven Schaffer maybe inside his mouth , in the form a big **** lol
Steven Schaffer someone flexing there online muscles , a keyboard warrior .
Steven Schaffer LaRue , shut the f**k up and stop starting issues . Shawn is a decent guy , be damned if you sit there and bash him
Steven Schaffer LaRue , we are all friends with Shawn here . This isnt like a regular page , people in here talk all the time about things other then trading . I can tell half the guys kids names in here . People wont let you bashing Shawn here . Better to leave or be prepared to get it 100 times worse from the people in here .


FAIR HUH!!! I guess so Since he automatically thought I was in the wrong and started saying He wanted things to form in my mouth. Oh and Shawn I guess you aren't so tight with Steven huh?I mean he is tired of the Junk going on in your group


Oh and thanks you La Rue for trying to get Shawn Welker to be a stand up guy. I Appologize for all the names those people called you in that forum and their childish Actions.